Re: den.list-d Digest V00 #30

[TQNELSON@aol.com]

I would like to thank Frank for his input on the Baldridge/Deming Prize 
comparisons. If we look INSIDE the awards, at the parts, there are many 
similarities between the Baldridge Award and the Deming Prize. 

But if we follow the SoPK, we will see that we must begin our examination 
with understanding the systems that we are looking at, not the parts, and 
that begins with understanding the aim of the system, as WED clearly pointed 
out. And it is here, in the AIM, that the differences between the Baldridge 
Award and the Deming Prize appear. The Baldridge has a "winner," and that 
means losers, and that means competition. The Deming prize has a 
"progression" up the scale with as many "recognitions" as there are those who 
reach the various levels.

Now, I agree that as a source of potential "tools" the Baldridge 
points/guides can serve a useful purpose for many organizations, just like so 
many other sources of information and techniques about "how." But as a 
"Prize," I still agree with WED's assessment of it as a "public relations" 
effort and not system based (from a system perspective how do you single out 
as an "example" a company practicing racial or ethnic, or sexual bias, or 
increasing local unemployment,  or harming the environment, or not, as WED 
noted, working for the benefit of everyone, or....you get the picture).

Hard over? Nope. Just show me how the factors I note above, and related 
elements, are addressed in the Baldridge, that the competition is gone and I 
will be happy to say, "Baldridge, RAH!" Till then, well, I'll continue with, 
"Baldridge? Why?"

Del Nelson
American River College

When "We, the people......."
are replaced by dollars, profits, and greed
it is time to start over
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