Re: Knowledge Loops (fwd)

[TQNELSON@aol.com]

In a message dated 08/04/1999 8:55:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
SOPKrules@aol.com writes:

<< Your citations exemplify that the distinctions you have as part of your 
 philosophical system are different than the ones I refer to when I mention 
 the "loop" that is made up of the four basic human speech acts that lead to 
 action:
 
 Request
 Promise
 Declare Complete
 Declare Satisfaction >>

Well, I can certainly agree that we are coming from a different philosophical 
position. We (I, my students, etc.) have used the processes I cited for every 
process/system possible, including the four you cite. Was it first developed 
for computer systems? Yup! And expanded from that point. One of it's strong 
points is that it is the only approach that meets WED's requirement for 
operational definitions, i.e., don't show or tell about an input labeled 
"request" unless you can also define it by identifying the component elements 
that make it a request, the relationship between those components, and 
describe the receiving process in terms of Plan-Do-Assess/Check-Study, and 
each of those in term of the 5 Ws and an H (Who, What, Why, Where, When, and 
How). The same goes for the requirement to define the component elements 
named as parts of "request."

Another of it's strong points is the strength it derives from including the 
system's thinking principles of Fritjof Capra. The process involves 
"showing/drawing/illustrating" (via a process flow diagram [PFD]) the system, 
IAW Capra's principles that a system consists of relationships that cannot be 
defined or measured, but only "mapped"/shown, and that all systems are 
multilevel and non-linear/multi-directional.

But I am running on. If we wish to explore this further I'll leave it up to 
our moderator to decide where/when.

Del Nelson
American River College

When "We, the people....."
are replaced by dollars, profits, and greed,
it is time to start over.

[Moderator's Note:  Since you asked...  sounds like an apples and oranges issue
to me.
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